News

PEP Talk Podcast With Sharon Dirckx

When sharing the gospel, perhaps no response is more common or more scary than “How can God allow suffering?” It’s an ancient question, but can relate to the present moment more than anything else. Sharon Dirckx joins us today to think about how to navigate this particularly sensitive and personal area of evangelism.

With Sharon Dirckx PEP Talk

Our Guest

Sharon Dirckx is a Senior Tutor at the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics (OCCA). She has a PhD in brain imaging from Cambridge and has held research positions in the UK and USA. Sharon speaks and lectures in the UK, Europe and North America on science, theology, ‘mind and soul’ and the problem of evil. She is also the author of the award-winning and recently re-released book on suffering, entitled Why?: Looking at God, evil and personal suffering. Her latest book, Am I Just My Brain? (2019) examines questions of human identity from the perspectives of neuroscience, philosophy and theology.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.

Frontlines / Christians at Work: The Offender Rehabilitation Mentor

In this edition of Frontlines we spoke to Emma* – who spends her working life helping to rehabilitate ex-offenders.

Solas: Please could you tell us who you are and a little about your job?

ES: Hi, I’m Emma and I work with ex-prisoners, helping to rehabilitate them into the community on their release. We have several aspects to our work, with women, families, children and with people who are caught up in the criminal justice system themselves. My team mostly works with men coming out of prison, many of whom are aged between 16-30, who are often released with some of their sentence still to be served in the community. They have to work with a probation officer, but we are put alongside them as extra support.  In practice my job looks very different with every client I work with; but it usually starts with me picking someone up from the prison gates as they are released. I don’t have statutory reports or targets to meet; we are very flexible and work towards goals the client want to achieve. The aim is to reduce the rate of re-offending in that age-group. I studied social work at university, but ended up working in the voluntary sector for many years, but my first exposure to this kind of work was when I was sixteen, helping in the kitchen of a probation approved hostel, and I just loved it.

Solas: Of all those things, what’s your favourite bit? What gives you job satisfaction?

ES: I have friends who work in formal social work settings, and they have a huge amount of legislation, and paperwork to navigate as they take responsibility for clients. And while I have a responsibility to report any criminality, clients only work with us on a voluntary basis, and so the guys really open up to us. When you pick someone up from the prison gate, you find them a meal, take them to the housing authorities to get accommodation, apply for ID, register them with a doctor – they realise from day one that we’re on their side. I love getting to know the clients and I have a case load of about ten guys at any one time, which means I can be quite creative about what I do. One client might want to revisit somewhere from his childhood, another might want to try to repair a broken relationship with a grandparent, and I get to do that with them. I love working with people that society has largely written off. Many of them are in a cycle of re-offending, and prisons, hostels, and substance abuse – chaotic lives stemming from negative childhood experiences. If they miss appointments with me, I don’t write them off, I can give them another chance. It’s all about the clients for me!

Solas: So what are the challenges of this job, and how does your Christian faith help you to navigate those?

ES: The truth is that there are not a huge number of clients who make it. I’ve known clients fall victim to suicide and drug-overdoses. Some of my colleagues might say; “have you heard who’s out of prison again? I just don’t know what to do with him this time?” Despair can creep in for some people, but I take a different attitude because I genuinely believe that if I can introduce this person to who Jesus is, there could be a complete breakthrough and a total change in their life. My boss is supportive of my stance here – while obviously you can’t ‘preach’ at work; their attitude is that if the subject of faith comes up I do not have to shy away from saying what I believe. I worked recently with one older man with learning difficulties who was quite vulnerable. He was released on a Friday afternoon and had nowhere to go – or the capacity to find a solution. He fell between the cracks of all the different government agencies, and so it was left to me to find somewhere for him at 4PM on a Friday afternoon. A lot of people want to forget about these guys and say that they are just suffering the consequences of their own bad life choices. I understand that, and many of them have made dreadful decisions. However, many of them have been born and raised in circumstances that were very, very difficult to break out of. So, there is a huge challenge there in the messiness and sadness of peoples lives; but as a Christian I get the opportunity to pray for the clients and my colleagues too – because the work can be exhausting.

Solas: And how does your faith affect the way you go about your work?

ES: Well I’ve found a job that I love! It doesn’t feel like a chore but an absolute privilege to work with these clients.

Solas: You talk about it more like a ‘calling’ than a ‘career’..

ES: Yes, 100%! Now of course in this work I get lied to or manipulated sometimes, but I get to give people another chance. They might have burnt their bridges with everyone else; they might be homeless, wanted by the police, breached parole, but I am the person that gets to give them another opportunity, another chance. I think that is an outworking of the deeply Christian idea of “grace” because I get given umpteen chances by Jesus. I find myself asking forgiveness every day for the same thing – and he gives grace. So when a client says to me “Emma, why are you still here?” I can say that my faith tells me that I am loved even when I don’t deserve it, and I want them to know what that feels like. Sometime they say, “Oh you’re off on one again!”, but there are other times when that makes a real impression on them. I’m constantly inspired by how Jesus was with people. He stopped, had time for people and went to their level. And so I count it as a huge privilege to walk with those who society sees as the very least.

Solas: So both colleagues and clients know you are a Christian. What have reactions to that been like?

ES: I’ve never had a hostile reaction – which I am thankful for. Apathy is more common: “I’m happy for you, but it’s not for me” type responses which are difficult to navigate, because that just stops conversations before they have gone anywhere. However Covid has given people the opportunity to “see” church. When people have asked if my church is still going I’ve said, “Yes – do you want to see it, here’s the link!” I’ve been able to show them videos or things on my phone and that’s been helpful. There aren’t many Christians in my workplace, which is fine, but that gives me more of a responsibility. The reaction of colleagues has varied. One colleague has been really searching for years and I’ve had all kinds of conversations with him and his wife, which has been lovely. I have offered to pray for colleagues when they are struggling, and sometimes they laugh that off – but sometimes they say they’d appreciate that. What is so important with both clients and colleagues is the relational aspect, if any of them are ever going to see that Jesus is real, then he must impact all that I do, so that they see that reality in me; how I speak, how I listen, stories I tell about family life, how I work; everything! Similarly when I get something wrong, I confess it and don’t pretend to be better than I am.

Solas: So the conversations you’ve had about your faith, do they come up spontaneously or have you set out to have them intentionally?

ES: I find they happen quite spontaneously. There are over 100 of us in the office and we hot-desk, so you never know who you are going to be sitting next to – so conversation is spontaneous; but that suits me! The only times I’ve had significant conversations which have been intentional have been when a colleague has asked me a question, and I’ve had to go away and think about the answer and get back to them. But relational and spontaneous is how I work best!

Solas: And have you ever had much push-back or objections raised to your faith?

ES: Well a few years ago there was a very high profile court-case to do with sexuality – it was all over the news, and some colleagues picked up on that. I felt quite burdened about that because I wanted to speak the truth, but do so in a way that speaks of love and justice and forgiveness, grace, mercy and kindness. So I do a lot more listening than speaking when those sorts of topics come up. It’s the same with the question of suffering, because we see a lot of kids who are brought up around criminality and chaos with their school reporting that they are smelly, unkempt, hungry, and that no homework being done. And it’s so important to listen and acknowledge the reality of suffering and not rush in with answers about what I think or believe. I’ll see where the conversation goes and where I can share that I believe that Jesus loves these people and can transform any life. The problem with hot-topics is that if you say too much too soon, the barriers go up and you lose the whole conversation. I’ve learnt that through my own family experience too, where my family has got it wrong and relationships have broken down because we jumped in too quickly. Listening to people, meeting them where they are at, and walking with them, might give me the opportunity to introduce them to Jesus.

Solas: You are obviously motivated to share your faith? Why is that?

ES: Well, God saved me as a child, in a challenging enough upbringing. And since I was seven God has been my constant companion, He has never let me down, never failed, always lets me come back – always forgives; and there’s something about that that I can’t keep to myself. I think in the work that I do, it just spills out. Because I am motivated to be with people who really have nobody else, and I want other people to have what I have been given. If I get to be just one small seed in their lives; then that is just such a huge privilege.

Solas: What advice would you give to a young Christian starting out in your workplace, who wants to stay faithful to Christ there?

ES: Well, start by reading the Bible as much as you can, and prioritise time alone with God – so that you know how loved you are by God and can share His love with people who have perhaps never known love. That way you’ll be able to show others how loved they are by God, by the time you give them, how you listen, and the way in which you speak to them, and how you forgive. If you try and do all this while you’re spiritually running on empty, the cracks with show. Then practically, find another believer who works in a similar sector to yourself, who understands the challenges. My job can be tough, because of the many sadnesses we experience, but I’m very grateful that my boss is a Christian, and that’s helpful. Then don’t be afraid to have a sense of humour about the work, even if that can be a little dark! And then for me, I always remember that this work is a privilege – to serve these people who so often get written off.

Solas: Thankyou for speaking to us Emma

ES: I hope that’s useful!


*name has been changed for reasons of professional confidentiality

New Apologists in the Making – Andy at Wycliffe College

Wycliffe College is a largely Anglican, evangelical training college connected to the University of Toronto, where I am a regular visiting professor. Over the last two years I have helped to put together and deliver a thirteen-week module which is part of their MA programme, and takes up to thirty students through a rigorous approach to apologetics.

The course begins with some foundational material such as ‘what is apologetics?’ and ‘the biblical basis for apologetics’, then moves onto some of the frameworks for apologetics and then looks at some of the practicalities of being an effective apologist. Core topics within the course were then, the person of Jesus, the reliability of the Bible, the problem of evil, what it means to be human (and the rise of digital technology, A.I. and transhumanism) and then other religions.

The course contained lots of assessments. My favourite one is where we task the students with interviewing someone from a different faith (or an atheist), and finding out about their worldview and how that operates. Significantly they were tasked to not preach at the interviewee, their first job was to seek to understand them. The students had to write the interview up in such a way that the interviewee agreed that the student had really understood them and summarised them well. That’s the formal part of the assessment, but what we find time and again is that conversations then develop from that, and interviewees say – ‘but what about you Christians, what do you think of all this?’ So it’s been great to see the way in which getting students to have these conversations in which they are sent out to listen, end up being gospel opportunities.

I love doing these courses, because the students are so enthusiastic. On one hand it’s an academically demanding course on which we examine some serious ideas. Then on the other students say at the end, ‘this has been great, I’ve had all these great conversations about my faith’. A new development in this course was that students could choose how they were assessed at the end. Some opted for the traditional 5,000 word essay; but others opted for the new oral exam. In this, the course leaders interviewed the student on Zoom for an hour – taking the role of three different personas; an atheist, a pluralist and a Muslim. So when I was adopting the role of the Muslim I raised common Muslim objections to the student, saying “You’re Bible has been corrupted, you should follow the truth as given to Muhammad (peace be upon him) and abandon your Christianity” – and the students had to engage; wisely, patiently and thoughtfully. Similarly we levelled atheist objections about origins, and pluralist ones about truth-claims to them, to see how they handled them. It was a hugely enjoyable way of assessing them – some struggled a bit, but several were outstanding; certainly their apologetics were better than my acting!

The students came from all across Canada from Alberta to Nova Scotia, from all age-groups and were both men and women. What was also encouraging was that Toronto, which is a very ethnically diverse city; that context was also well reflected in the makeup of the student body. That hasn’t always the case in these kinds of courses so that is progress well worth celebrating. Every community has its questions which need to be answered, and having people from those communities doing that work it so important.

This course is slated to run again in the Spring of 2023, by which time we will have rewritten some of the material to reflect some of the newer challenges which are emerging.

Are There Two Different Gods in the Old and New Testaments? (Part Two)

In the second part of our exploration into whether the Bible presents two contradictory pictures of the character of God, Gareth Black explores why it might be that the Old Testament God lays down so many ethical rules compared to what we see in the New Testament. Is this evidence of inconsistency in God’s character, or is there more to it?

Share

Please share this video widely with friends or family and for more Short Answers videos, visit solas-cpc.org/shortanswers/, subscribe to our YouTube channel or visit us on Twitter Instagram or Facebook.

Support

Short Answers is a viewer-supported video series: if you enjoy them, please help us continue to make them by donating to Solas. Visit our Donate page and choose “Digital Media Fund” under the Campaign/Appeal button.

The Fear Gap (2) “Fear of people not like us”

I don’t know about you, but I’m not a huge fan of the unfamiliar. If I look down a menu in a restaurant, I’ll almost always go for a dish I know. I’m perfectly aware that the Moules Marinières might be delicious, but because I’ve never had mussels before, I’m wary. I have no experience of eating them. They could be tasty or they might not be, and I’m not prepared to risk it. I’m fearful of what I don’t know, and so I retreat and stick to what I perceive as ‘safe’.

Fear of ‘The Other’

It can be the same when as Christians we meet other people. Usually, as Christians, we are familiar with spending time with other brothers and sisters in Christ – we talk to them at church, we pray with them in prayer meetings, we share our lives with them and walk alongside them in their struggles and joys, and long to point each other to Jesus. Being with other Christians should feel right, and like home.

But when we meet people who do not yet know Jesus, we can feel like we need to hide a part of who we truly are, and that we can’t really be honest about our thoughts and our reactions, because ‘they’ won’t understand. We instinctively see people who do not yet know Jesus as ‘them’, ‘The Other’. We find ourselves thinking ‘They’ are not like me, ‘they’ don’t believe in the things I believe. I feel threatened. I feel fearful. That’s not necessarily because the person is being aggressive or antagonistic about our faith, but simply because ‘they’ are not ‘us’ – they have a completely different worldview and it’s not one with which we’re familiar and it’s not one that feels safe and so our instinctive reaction can be to retreat.

Different Christians will respond differently of course, but I imagine many of us find it challenging to step towards people who are unlike us. Perhaps it might be an atheist family member, or a Muslim colleague, or a radical university friend, or an uninterested neighbour. Perhaps it might be someone from a different country, or a different culture, or a different political viewpoint, or a different socioeconomic background. You will know best the people that you most consider ‘Other’ to you. We will all have this fear of the unfamiliar on some level.

A Spirit of power, love and self-discipline

But just because this fear is common, does not mean that it is commendable. The apostle Paul writes to his friend Timothy: ‘For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.’ (2 Tim 1:7) The Holy Spirit, given to us by our Heavenly Father, empowers us to be loving, and to be disciplined in this love for others. Rather than being shy or timid or fearful in our faith, the Spirit gives us confidence that we don’t have naturally, to step towards those who are unlike us, to love them by seeking to share the truth of the gospel with them. I certainly don’t always feel this confidence – and neither, it seems, did Timothy – but the problem is not that I have no reason for confidence, but that I have forgotten the Spirit’s power, God’s power, and my eyes are only on my own weakness and my fear of ‘The Other’.

How else can they hear?

Aware of our tendency to retreat, Paul writes in the New Testament ‘How can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?’ (Romans 10:14) If we do not tell our Muslim colleague about Jesus – who will? How will they be saved? If you do not reach out to your radical university friend with the joy of the gospel – how else will they hear of it? If I do not share the delight of knowing Jesus with my atheist family member – who else will bring this saving news to them? It may seem safer for us to stay quiet, but we know deep down that it is not safer for them. Let it be said of us ‘How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!’ (Romans 10:15).

You probably know people who know no Christians other than you. For many years, I was the only Christian in my workplace of thirty or so colleagues. I clearly remember my surprise when one of my politically left-leaning and liberal colleagues stated categorically that I was the first Christian she had ever known: she was in her thirties, had been to university, worked in London, and was active on social media. It was astonishing to me that in all those years she had never before known a Christian – it struck home the deep spiritual need of my workplace and that truth from Romans 10:14: how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

On another occasion, an atheist senior colleague argued with me at length about a Christian talk we’d attended together, where the speaker had said all of mankind was by nature sinful. It was the first time anyone had suggested she was anything other than good and she was deeply angry. No-one had ever before explained to her that ‘There is no-one righteous, not even one’ (Romans 3:10); she had never before been told of her need for the Lord Jesus. Whilst it was a very hard conversation and there was ultimately no obvious fruit, I was hugely grateful she had been given an opportunity ‘to call on the one [she had] not believed in’ (Romans 10:14).

And I can recall another colleague, a man in his forties from a Hindu background but who would consider himself more ‘spiritual’ rather than Hindu, asking me about Protestantism during a finance review (we had been chatting ‘slightly’ off-topic about London architecture, specifically local churches). When I explained the concept of grace to him, he was astounded. He was visibly shocked at how scandalous grace was. Until that point in his life, he had only ever considered ‘good deeds’ as the way to heaven/the divine entity. Grace upset him – it didn’t make sense to him logically. Grace was not something he would ever thought of on his own. ‘How can they hear without someone preaching to them?’ rang very true to me that day.

It will not be easy to step towards people who don’t share your beliefs, who think you are odd, or perhaps even evil, for your faith in Christ. But how else can they hear?

A slow burn

It’s worth saying at this point that opportunities to speak openly about your faith may only come in the context of months of quiet witness, gently trying to start conversations about a church service or a Bible study, and often being shut down. Some of my atheist friends are very happy having a heated debate about Christianity, but my colleagues are clearly uncomfortable talking about spiritual beliefs, even those who are Muslim or Sikh or Hindu themselves. Christian witness may simply involve being a Christ-like friend, neighbour or colleague, waiting patiently for someone to be open to chat about deeper things – praying for opportunities and not shying away from them when they come. After a year of trying to draw alongside a very closed atheist colleague, one day she asked me over a coffee about why Christians marry, rather than live together. It was a long-awaited answer to prayer, and I had the opportunity to talk about the beauty of Christ’s love for and everlasting commitment to his own bride (the church), something that she had never heard of before and which clearly moved her. Other small opportunities like this may seem like they are few and far between, but we trust that the Lord is working powerfully behind the scenes, using our witness, jars of clay though we are, to bring people to him.

The Light of all mankind

Our temptation to retreat from those who are ‘Other’ to us stands in stark contrast to our Lord Jesus. He stepped forwards with love and compassion towards those who were ‘Other’ to him. He came into this world, with all of its sin and darkness and impurity and rejection of God, a world swhic is so ‘Other’ to his righteousness and light and purity and perfect unity with the Father. He died to save those who were far from him, who had no care for him. He died to save not only Jews, but also Gentiles. ‘There is no difference between Jew and Gentile – the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’’ (Romans 10:12-13). We could replace ‘Gentile’ with ‘Muslim’ or ‘Hindu’ or ‘Sikh’, or ‘politically radical’ or ‘left-liberal’ or ‘right fundamentalist’, or ‘staunch atheist’ or ‘apathetic agnostic’, or whatever people group seems most ‘Other’ to you. The same Lord is Lord of all, and if they call on the name of the Lord, they will be saved. Will you be the one who will bring them this good news?

Heavenly Father, in times when we fear approaching those who are different to us, remind us of the Spirit you have given us, a Spirit not of timidity but of power, love and self-discipline. Fill us with love for those who are different to us, who think differently to us. Help us step towards them with the good news of the gospel, as Jesus stepped towards us with his saving grace. May we be those of whom our non-Christian family, neighbours, colleagues, friends ultimately say ‘How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!’

Amen

The Dynamics of Effective Evangelism: Gareth Black at Strandtown Baptist

Solas’s Gareth Black joined Strandtown Baptist Church in East Belfast for two evenings of equipping and training in evangelism today. About 40-50 people came to each of the two evenings, which were also live-streamed for folks who were not yet able to attend in-person events.

Gareth said, “Over the course of two evenings we really dug into the dynamics of effective evangelism today”.

On the first evening, they examined what Gareth called “the external and internal challenges to evangelism.” The external challenges include where things are going in culture and the challenges that presents to us in evangelism, particularly persuasive evangelism. So we could become ‘activists’, (seeking to control culture, politics etc by lobbying, or protest) or we could ‘retreat’ from culture altogether. A third alternative is to learn to do persuasive evangelism in the context of relationships and gospel conversations.

The internal challenges to evangelism, are addressed in 1 Peter chapter 3, and involve some issues that transcend culture and apply universally.  These are challenges we all face in evangelism. These include firstly fear. Then there are discipleship challenges (setting aside Christ as Lord in our hearts, in a meaningful and public way). Next there’s the problem of being ill-prepared – not knowing what people’s questions are, and not being ready to give an answer. Finally, Peter highlights character issues, stressing the importance of doing our evangelism with gentleness and respect – keeping a clear conscience.

The second evening was all about doing evangelism through the medium of engaging with questions. That means not just answering other people’s questions, but also learning to ask questions too.

Gareth highlighted three key reasons to use questions in evangelism.

  • Because our culture has changed, people think critically and need more than authority driven arguments to help people establish wha;s true.
  • Because it’s biblical and key way in both the Old and New Testaments that people come to faith, was by God allowing them to explore their questions.
  • Jesus used questions to reveal peoples motives and assumptions; and asking and answering questions shows that you take people seriously.

Having explored the uses of good questions, Gareth completed his session with some practical tips for using questions faithfully and creatively. He explored, how to ask good questions, and the use of specific questions such as Have You Ever Wondered? and Why do you think that? Then he looked as helpful ways of answering people’s questions about our Christian faith – always remembering that there is a person behind the question. That means asking questions to understand why the person has asked this particular question, and learning to let conversation flow freely without demanding to have the final word.

Associate Pastor at Strandtown, Michael Shaw, noted: “As a church leadership team, we wanted to equip our members to be able to winsomely share the gospel with their friends, family, neighbours, and colleagues who don’t yet know Jesus.  The two seminars that Gareth Black delivered were incredibly helpful in achieving that goal.  One of the highlights for me was Gareth’s engagement with God’s word (particularly 1 Peter 3), and Scripture remained at the heart of both seminars.  The second session on ‘questioning evangelism’ provided plenty of food for thought and, above all, was very practical. And when Gareth dealt with complex cultural issues, he always made the content accessible to our audience.  I’m confident that this training from Solas will stand us in good stead when it comes to persuasive conversational evangelism, and I look forward to seeing how the Lord will use it in the life of our church.”

Gareth said, “I really enjoyed my two evenings with Strandtown Baptist. Attendance was good and engagement was high, with really insightful discussion in the q&a with people wanting to apply these things to their particular circumstances.  Some people have been emailing me subsequently about how they are working some of this out in their workplaces.”

Strandtown Baptist can be found online here:

Photo of Derek MacIntyre

PEP Talk Podcast With Derek McIntyre

With all the topics, arguments and questions one could address in speaking about the gospel, sometimes it’s hard to know where to start. Today we hear from someone who decided to investigate the simple question “Was Jesus the Son of God?” and was surprised at the overwhelming amount of convincing evidence he found.

With Derek McIntyre PEP Talk

Our Guest

Derek McIntyre comes from a science background and came to Christianity in middle-age when he discovered the wealth of compelling evidence pointing to Jesus being the Son of God. When he became a Christian, he was compelled to share this evidence with others and so developed the “Jesus: The Evidence” website, presentation and booklet to allow him to do this. Read his testimony on the Solas website here.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.

Frontlines / Christians at Work : The Financial Marketer

In this edition of Frontlines, Gavin Matthews spoke to William Rugg, in the City of London where the financial sector provides some unique opportunities for Christian witness.

Solas: Hi William, how are you?

WR: Great, thankyou.

Solas: Before we explore what it means to be a Christian in your workplace, tell us a little about your job? What are your roles and responsibilities?

WR: I work for Rathbones, which is a wealth management company where I write and edit content for our clients and for the general public as part of our marketing strategy. So I am a writer and editor, working in the financial world. So I am not a typical ‘city worker’ but I work in the communications side of the business.

Solas: What’s the best part of your job? What gives you job satisfaction?

WR: One of the best things is to see the tangible results of my work at the end of the day. Sometimes it might be the production of a nice glossy report that I’ve helped to write, edit or produce. It’s great to see that being completed and then people reading it and responding to it. A lot of people don’t have that tangible-aspect to their work – so that is something I value. I really enjoy writing being at my desk, and getting my head down to work!

Solas: How much of what you do is on line and how much in print?

WR: Well, since lockdown it has all been digital. But I used to produce a couple of long-form printed reports in magazine-style per year. Maybe we will go back to that, it remains to be seen what the ‘new normal’ will be like.

Solas: What kind of challenges does your field of work present – and does your Christian faith help you to navigate those?

WR: Just as in any workplace, it’s human interaction that brings about many of the challenges. Relationships can sometimes be difficult and I think that working in the City, perhaps especially in asset management, there are some forceful personalities around. That’s probably true of a lot of workplaces, but is perhaps particularly so in the City. So, the challenge is to navigate those relationships and – as a Christian – to be “salt and light” and to be distinct in the way that I treat people. As I mentioned, I like to get my head down and get on with my work, but the challenge for me, as a Christian is to be there, every day, as an ambassador for Christ. In seeking to make him known, relationships must be built and invested in because that’s where the opportunities come up. The fact that in this environment some of the people are a bit more forthright can actually be a good thing, because that presents opportunities to talk about my faith.

Solas: And does your faith also affect the way that you go about doing the work itself?

WR: One of the biggest things for me is the attitude I take to work. My job is to serve my boss, the company and our clients, and those people in my team who I line-manage. Jesus himself said, “I came not to be served but to serve”, so he inspires me to see serving others as a very important thing. So I try to bring a servant-hearted attitude to my work. Beyond that I seek to glorify God in my work. That means that there is this amazing purpose to my work, because I want to honour Him in what I do. Ultimately, even though I am serving a company and clients – I am working for God and that work opens doors for my witness about Him to others. I want people to see that I am motivated by something which is beyond this visible world, that’s what I ultimately want people to notice and to know more about.

Solas: I’m aware that the folks you work with know that you are a Christian. What have reactions to your faith been like?

WR: Well, I haven’t had any direct “push-back” to my faith in my current role. In my previous job in a different firm, I had a colleague who was a professed atheist and was very strong in his views and used to love to debate things. I really enjoyed those conversations even though I never persuaded him to change his mind! Generally while there is some underlying hostility to what Christians believe, that constant veneer of British politeness means that you often don’t really know where people stand. When I have put my head above the parapet and sent out invitations to the whole company to events where we are seeking to share the gospel, I’ve had people come up to me and say things like, “I’m not interested personally, but well done for standing up for being a Christian.” There have been many positive reactions from people who recognize that it took some courage. Other people have been encouraged by it too.  A couple of folks have said to me, “I am so grateful for you doing this, I am a Christian but I have never stood up and made myself known as a Christian at work – and you’ve really encouraged me to do that.” So they’ve joined our prayer and Bible-study group too now. So there have been some very positive responses from Christians and non-Christians to my faith.

Solas: Did you have to get permission to run events in the office like Christianity Explored? Or to email everyone in the office to invite them? How does that work?

WR: We’re really blessed at Rathbones because the attitude of the human resources department is that if you want to put on an event for colleagues you can as long as it is something that everyone feels welcome to – regardless of what their faith is. Of course that is absolutely the very thing that we want to do, to make everyone feel welcome and not make the Christian event exclusive or only open to Christians. So we are delighted to hold events on the basis that they are for everyone.

That’s very different from previous places where I have worked which have been at the opposite end of the spectrum. In the asset management company I used to work for, the policy was that there could be no religious activity in the building of any kind. We couldn’t even use a conference room at lunch time for a prayer meeting. So I wrote an email to the CEO and said to him that there are a group of Christians in the company who would like to hold a carol service to invite colleagues along to – and I invited him to do one of the readings! When he said, “yes – great idea” then we had some backing, and so we used a church close to the office and were able to invite people from work along.

Solas: And is Rathbones a large company?

WR: There’s about a thousand people who work here, across the UK, of whom around five-hundred are in the London office where I’m based.

Solas: And your workplace Christian group..?

WR: There’s about half a dozen of us, and the Mark study group has recently doubled from four to eight people.

Solas; And you were able to run a Christianity Explored course there?

WR: Yes, that’s right. It was actually after lockdown had started so we had to do that one online. But the wonderful thing about that was that a lot of the people who came to that were from the regional offices – whereas previously we’d really only focussed on the London office. Lockdown has made us expand our horizons and think beyond just the local office.

Solas: and you also mentioned dialogue-style events. How did they work?

WR: Well the most recent one took place at Easter. Lots of London churches and their lunchtime ministries work together on a mission called “Questions for Life” every Easter. They sent out a list of speakers who were available to support groups like ours. So we had a speaker come in and we had tea and scones sent out to colleagues in their homes and called the event “Tea with Jesus!” and the talk was about Jesus being the bread of life. Then there was a chance for dialogue, discussion and Q&A. It was really informal and it was from that some more people joined our Mark study group.

Solas: What reactions have there been at work to your Christian group in the office, praying, reading the Bible, and inviting them to events? Have any objections been raised?

WR: There were no objections raised that I am aware of. I know of some Christians who have been approached by other colleagues who are very hostile to Christianity who have been given a hard time; but I haven’t myself. I sent out the email to the whole company to our latest event, and that’s around 1,000 people – but there is a lot of apathy about. I got something between ten or twenty responses to that email and they were all positive. People came along and there was good follow up from it too. Christianity Explored was especially good for that – people had loads of really good questions.

Solas: You are clearly very active in sharing your faith, and not being a hidden Christian. Tell me what motivates you to share your faith with others like this?

WR: Let me preface my answer by saying that doing so takes me right outside my comfort zone! But when I think about the fact that my deepest need is for forgiveness of my sins – and the way that Jesus met that need at immense personal cost to himself; then evangelism flows out of a sense of love for Jesus and everything he’s done for me. I also believe that the forgiveness of sins is my friends and colleagues deepest need too. Without Christ, my colleagues are lost – and I want to be like Jesus in his love for the los. It’s all too easy to lose that perspective and just get on with the work, but everyone’s deepest need is for the forgiveness of their sins (whether they realise that or not). That’s what Jesus offers  – and they are not going to know that unless someone shares it with them.

Solas: What advice would you give to a young Christian entering this field of work who wants to stay faithful to Christ there?

WR: Well the first thing is to take the earliest opportunity to make yourself known as a Christian – don’t hide it! Then pray – obviously! One really good piece of advice I was given by my pastor as I started in the workplace was to pray that God would put another Christian in my path. From there you can pray together, for others, and for your witness. That happened, I met another Christian at work, we started praying together and it grew until we were putting on event and carol services and things. Ask God to send you another Christian and to give you boldness in conversation!

Solas: Thankyou so much – there is so much in there to encourage and inspire!

WR: Thanks Gavin!

 

The Cedarwood Festival

Although the Cedarwood Festival is a relative newcomer to the UK’s Christian calendar, it has already made its mark as a great event where Christians from across the churches gather for worship, teaching, fellowship, prayer and unity in the North of England. Solas has had the privilege of partnering with Cedarwood over the last couple of years, which has of course, meant working both in person and online.

Cedarwood Festival Director, David Stretton-Downes said, “We were delighted to welcome Andy Bannister from Solas back to the Q&A panel team for Cedarwood Festival this year, with streaming of the live event taking place non-stop for 12 hours, from a secret forest location in the north of England. Questions ranged from Covid19 and ethics to Islam and politics, and it was fantastic to be able to partner in the gospel again – all be it online!”

In the live Q&A sessions, Andy Bannister was joined by Chris Sinkinson from Moorlands College, and hosted by Karen Todd and David Stretton-Downes. You can see these sessions online below:

 

Cedarwood Festival is really looking forward to July 2022, when they will be able to welcome all their guests back to the festival in person. The team are already hard at work planning the programme and preparing the venue. Details are always on hand at www.cedarwoodfestival.com and tickets are already available here.

Andy Bannister and Solas will be at Cedarwood Festival 2022 and are really looking forward to it again. If you are there, please do come and say hi to Andy or anyone else from the Solas team. We’re really looking forward to it! See you there.

Are There Two Different Gods in the Old and New Testaments?

There is a common assumption that the Old Testament God is one of judgment and rules and yet, in the New Testament, God appears to be all about love and grace. So does the Bible present two contradictory pictures of God? In this episode of Short Answers, Gareth Black invites us to consider on what basis we might make this assumption and whether a closer look at the biblical text itself might challenge this assumption of inconsistency.

Share

Please share this video widely with friends or family and for more Short Answers videos, visit solas-cpc.org/shortanswers/, subscribe to our YouTube channel or visit us on Twitter Instagram or Facebook.

Support

Short Answers is a viewer-supported video series: if you enjoy them, please help us continue to make them by donating to Solas. Visit our Donate page and choose “Digital Media Fund” under the Campaign/Appeal button.

The Risk Gap

Some years ago I was given the opportunity to move from my home in Northern Ireland and spend two years living and studying in Oxford. I had been offered a place to read for a theology masters at the university, as well as a position on an evangelism training programme run by a Christian apologetics centre in the city that I would do alongside my academic studies. I can remember being utterly flattered and enchanted by the opportunity: Here I was being invited to study at arguably the world’s most prestigious university; to be taught and mentored by people whom I regarded to be among the world’s leading Christian evangelists and apologetic thinkers. Yet when the romantic fantasies of Oxford’s dreaming spires faded and I sobered up to what the practical realities of going would demand, the inconvenient truth that the whole enterprise was actually a huge risk dawned on me rather uncomfortably. There was the professional and financial risk: Living and studying in Oxford would cost tens of thousands of pounds and going would mean abandoning both a job I enjoyed and an stable income, as well as having no guarantees of future employment once my studies were complete. There were the academic and psychological risks: Would I have the ability and resilience to cope with the intellectual and emotional challenges of so rigorous an academic environment? There was the relational risk: Due to circumstances beyond our control, my wife was unable to join me in Oxford for the first year. What pressures might this bring to our fledgling marriage and would we be able to cope? And there was even the faith risk: I had heard horror stories of deeply sincere believers who had had their faith shipwrecked when studying theology at top secular universities. How would my faith fair in the inevitable crucible of being confronted with ideas and arguments contrary to what I had hitherto believed?

As I crossed the Irish Sea heading for Oxford that September morning I had no idea what the answers to these questions would be. There were no guarantees that it would all work out positively, no assurances that I would not need to come home after one term to search for a new job and face the embarrassment of needing to explain the situation to people – some of whom had financially supported my going. Thankfully, none of these fears were realised and what transpired into the five years that my wife and I spent in Oxford proved to be the most beneficial and formative season of our lives so far. Yet it was an experience that we would never have known had we not been prepared to embrace the opportunity in spite of the inherent risks. As I left Ireland for Oxford that first day, all I had was an open door of opportunity, the promise that God would be with me, and a sense that this was what the Lord wanted me to do even though it didn’t come with any certifications that it would all work out. But it was enough. Like Moses (Ex. 3:12), I would have to discover in retrospect that this was precisely what God wanted me to do – and not because the entire experience was smooth or simple!

In many ways, Christian evangelism is a lot like this. There is simply no getting around the fact that public witness to Jesus is an inherently risky affair – no matter how gifted or experienced we might be. There is simply no guarantee that people will react positively to the Gospel or, indeed, to us as bearers of it. Jesus forewarned his disciples that even though God himself had specifically chosen them to bear his fruit in the world, many in that world would both hate and even persecute them on account of his name (Jn. 15:16-16:4). When they then began their witness to the world there were, of course, many who became followers of Jesus. Yet the New Testament is also painfully honest that they were also regularly maligned, misrepresented, socially ostracised and even imprisoned for communicating a message considered an offence to most Jews and foolishness to Gentiles (1 Cor. 1:23). If the absence of risk or the guarantee of a positive response had been a prerequisite for the apostles taking up the Great Commission they would have never left the Upper Room in Jerusalem. But, instead, they were utterly convinced that God has demonstrated His appointment of Jesus Christ as Lord and they were left in no uncertain terms by that Jesus that they have been given a mandate to take the message of His Lordship to the world, whatever the personal cost or risks. They were, therefore, fully persuaded that Christianity was public Good News. In their own words: ‘we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard’ (Acts 4:20).

Nothing much has changed on this front in the two thousand years since their witness: Jesus is still Lord and his command that his disciples publicly witness to the Gospel remains unchanged. Yet doing so continues to harbour various kinds of risk. There is the reputational risk: that once people discover our Christianity they will inevitably think less of us, either because we are in their eyes irrational, or just plain weird, or even because we are committed to certain values or ethics that they consider to be, at best, on the wrong side of history or, at worst, dangerously dehumanising. There is the professional risk: the legitimate concern that any conversations with colleagues about faith could be interpreted as proselytising and land us in trouble with the Human Resources department. There is also what we might call the counterproductive risk to the Gospel: this is the concern that some people have that, if they do try to evangelise, they fear that they will do such a bad job of it that they will actually be counterproductive to someone’s openness to Christianity – perhaps only confirming rather than debunking stereotypes – and, ultimately, creating more work for the Holy Spirit by compounding the confusion or scepticism of the person they share the Gospel with through their limitations and mistakes.  Add to these dynamics the new phenomenon of cancel culture, where any individual can be socially no-platformed because of something they said or did decades ago (even if it wasn’t in any way controversial at the time!), as well as the ways we have been perennially educated to approach the risks of Covid-19 over the last year. It’s probably no wonder then that the Risk Gap remains one of the biggest impediments we have to engaging in evangelism.

So what can we do to avoid allowing these inherent risks in Christian evangelism to hinder us from sharing the Good News of Jesus with others?

First, we need to continually remind ourselves that even though evangelism doesn’t come with a guarantee of success, it does come with the guarantee of God’s help and presence. Jesus personally promised that as you ‘Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…’, He will be ‘…with you always, to the very end of the age’ (Matt. 28:18-20). When our hearts and minds are in danger of being unnerved by the prospect of evangelism, we need to marinade our perspective in the assurance Jesus gave that a Helper would – and now has – come who would be the very ‘Spirit of truth’, sent from God the Father to stand alongside us in bearing witness to Christ. In that sense, no matter what our abilities or experience, we will only ever be Junior Counsel to the Senior Advocate that God has given in presenting the world with the case for Christ. We are, therefore, never alone in witnessing endeavours. Whether it’s in the staff room, at the gym, in the Sixth Form Centre, in university halls, at the pub with colleagues after a long working week, on the sports field, or around the kitchen table, the moment we open our mouths to communicate Jesus the most experienced, empowered and effective evangelist God ever has – or ever will – give the world is by our side supporting and enabling us. In fact, even if we should find ourselves unexpectedly hauled before authorities because of our faith, Jesus commands us that we are not to be anxious about how we will defend ourselves or what we shall say, “for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very moment what you ought to say” (Luke 12:11-12). Though such occasions will come with inevitable pressures and maybe even some pain, we will always be able to say like Paul: ‘The Lord stood with me and strengthened me, so that through me the message might be fully proclaimed and all the Gentiles might hear it’ (2 Tim. 4:17).

Second, the risks of evangelism ought to motivate us into taking very seriously our personal responsibility in preparing ourselves for effective witness. God is not going to bypass our personalities, learning and preparation in helping us to communicate the Gospel persuasively to people. Instead, he will work with and alongside these qualities in our lives at whatever level they might be. It’s important that we don’t misinterpret verses like Luke 12:11-12 (mentioned above) and presume that, because Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will teach us what to say in those situations, we don’t really need to make a big effort in training or preparing ourselves in evangelism. Let’s be clear: Luke 12:11-12 is talking about a very specific context where individuals are suddenly forced to stand before very powerful and intimidating people to give account for their faith; a situation where people don’t have any opportunity to think, pray or prepare anything. Yet even in these very specific contexts, it is unlikely that in bringing to mind what we ‘ought to say’ the Holy Spirit will circumvent our minds, knowledge or personalities and hotwire us with information or skillsets we otherwise didn’t possess. It is far more likely that, in such moments, the help that the Holy Spirit will offer is to alleviate our anxieties, enabling us to recall relevant things to say that we have previously learned, and endow us with the ability to process and communicate the right things at the right times in these unnerving situations. So we need to be extremely careful about overstating exactly how God will help us in our evangelism communication, particularly if our doing so is largely an excuse to avoid ourselves putting in some important thought and work to better prepare ourselves. The Holy Spirit certainly didn’t override the Apostle Peter’s personality and mind when he found himself having to give an account of his association with Jesus on the night that Jesus was arrested. Peter’s personality and lack of preparation was fully – and painfully – exposed in this situation. Perhaps that’s why he would later urge Christians to “always be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks you a reason for the hope within you; yet do it with gentleness and respect’ (1 Peter 3:15).

So, although God has promised to be with us and help us in our evangelism, this does not in any way undermine the expectation that God has of us to each actively and continually prepare ourselves for Christian witness in accordance with our own personalities and abilities. God will certainly assist us in this endeavour but He will not do it for us, and as the well-known platitude goes: ‘If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.’ This might mean that we take an online programme in evangelism training; it might mean that we attend or even host an evangelism training day or series of evenings at our local church (like Solas’ Confident Christianity conferences); it might mean we identify certain questions or particular sticking points to faith that our friend or colleague harbours (i.e. Doesn’t science disprove God?; If God, why suffering?; or Isn’t God anti-LGBT+?) and then make a concerted effort to research the topic so that we can discuss it in an informed way; it might even mean that we sign-up to either host or support an evangelistic event or an Alpha or Christianity Explored course, simply so that we can see and learn from evangelistic conversations as they happen. There are all kinds of ways and means to developing ourselves for more effective evangelism – and the learning process never stops. The problem for many Christians is that it never really gets started and, as a result, they never develop the confidence to begin a conversation about faith with someone who is not a Christian and may potentially push back.

One final way that I feel we might be able to mitigate our fears over the potential risks in evangelism is to not do it alone. When I was contemplating going to Oxford, one of the things that really helped to mitigate my fears over the potential risks was to know that other people believed in my going and were prepared to invest in it also. Somehow the risks didn’t seem so intimidating when I knew that others were prepared to take them on with me. It’s the same with evangelism. We should never try to do evangelism alone. Even if it is just having one or two people aware of your situation and praying for you as you take opportunities and hold conversations, there will be a liberating sense that the risk is not all on you. Ideally, however, we want to do our evangelism with others. There is a reason why Jesus sent his disciples out to proclaim the kingdom in pairs. It is much easier to become overwhelmed and discouraged when you feel it’s all on you. Far better to identify even one other person that you can begin to take on evangelistic initiatives with. This is especially true in professional contexts. I have met several Christians in the business world who, when they thought they were on their own, felt that any form of evangelism in their workplace or among colleagues outside their workplace was simply impossible. Finding even just one other Christian colleague with whom they could talk to, who shared their evangelistic burden, and who was prepared to stand with them and try some evangelistic initiatives was a game-changer, however. I remember hearing about this exact scenario in the London headquarters of the financial services institution Goldman Sachs. A Christian employee wanted to find a way to begin some form of evangelism among colleagues but felt completely overwhelmed at the thought of pioneering it alone. Then she met one other Christian employee, then two, then three, and on the day that she told me the story we had just finished an evangelistic lunch bar in the office premises attended by thirty colleagues. Who are the colleagues, the friends, the other members of your church who share your vision for evangelism and are prepared to get some skin in the game and take the risk with you? It’s worth trying to identify them.

When I think of the challenge of taking risks in the context of our obedience to God, my mind often goes to one of my favourite characters in the entire Bible: the Moabite Ruth. Having come to Bethlehem in order to support her broken and disillusioned mother-in-law Naomi, Ruth takes the initiative – like born ought of practical necessity – to go into the local harvest fields and glean (Ruth 2). The reality was that this venture involved substantial risk: foreigners would often find themselves unwelcome in such contexts and could be assaulted by the other indigenous labourers; despite the Levitical command to allow the poor to glean at the edges of the fields, Ruth could have been accused of stealing; harvest fields were also easy contexts for attractive young women to be sexually assaulted. Stepping into field that day bore huge personal risk for Ruth but she did it out of steadfast love to her mother-in-law. Yet it was in that field that she met Boaz, the lord of the harvest. She could never have known it at the time, but the difficult decision to take the necessary risk of stepping into that field that day changed the course of not only her life, but of the history of Israel. Might it be the same for us as we embrace the risk of evangelism? Might it be that in the calculated decision to obey Christ and step into his harvest field that there we might also encounter the Lord of the Harvest and, in so doing, discover that he is our kinsman, fully committed to protecting, supporting and resourcing us about we labour for him? Might it be that there in the midst of his field, despite the inherent risks, God begins to weave a tapestry with our lives that will not only benefit us, but result in the saving of many others lives? We’ll never know unless we get out there.

Around four years ago I was leading an evangelism team in Ealing, West London. One afternoon, as we crossing the street to make our way to the local shopping centre to do evangelistic carol singing, I noticed a young man on a moped who had stopped at the side of the road and seemed to be shouting things towards members of our team. I kept my eye on him from the rear of the group, worried that he was trying to cause trouble. As I passed him, I could see that he wasn’t being antagonistic – though he was certainly intrigued – and something in me was prompted to engage him in conversation. His name was Raheem. He was a delivery driver for a local takeaway and had recently dropped out of a psychology degree at Exeter University. As I told him why we were in the area, the conversation quickly moved to God and faith. He had grown up in a nominally Muslim family but had genuine interest in Christianity from a psychology point of view. After about thirty minutes of conversation, I asked him, ‘Raheem, have you ever read the Bible? Do you have any idea what it’s about?’ He replied, ‘I have never read the Bible, but I’ve always wanted to have one and read what it says?’ I asked him whether he would read the bible if I could get him a copy before we left each other that day. He enthusiastically agreed. Eventually we made our way back over to the local Baptist church where the team had had lunch. I found him a bible and began to open it up at John 3:16 and, as simply as I could, explain the Gospel to him. He understood the fundamental concepts and was fascinated by the character of Jesus. After a couple of hours of conversation, secret internal praying where I asked God for his help and wisdom with what to say, and trying to discern whether it was appropriate to ask, I said Raheem, ‘Would you be interested in receiving the eternal life that Jesus offers you today?’ He enthusiastically affirmed that he was, and after some explanation I led him in a prayer to accept Christ into his life. In the following days we got him plugged into a local church and he began his unexpected journey of discipleship.

I conclude with this story not because my evangelism is always – or even often – this successful, but because it taught me a lesson about what can do if we are willing to take the risk of engaging people with the Gospel. When I first saw Raheem, the last thing I expected was that I would be seeing him become a Christian within a few hours. I didn’t know if his intentions were sinister; I didn’t know if he was just looking to waste my time; I didn’t know if he’d have any interest whatsoever in Jesus. But something told me to engage him and the rest, as they say, is history. I have no idea what would have happened if I had allowed myself to be intimidated out of talking to him because of the potential risks. And neither do you when it comes to engaging people in your life. All we can do is try to be obedient when the Lord of the Harvest invites us into his field. But, in that field, what adventures may ensue? Jesus once said in Luke 12:8-9: ‘I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.’ If we really believe this, perhaps we need to ask ourselves a sobering question: Where does the greater risk truly lie: obeying Jesus in evangelism or avoiding evangelism?

Suffering, Persecution and the Gospel – Andy Bannister on the Release International Podcast

Release International are doing great work supporting the persecuted church around the world and helping Christians who enjoy freedom to respond to the issues involved. Their regular podcast is good way into this whole subject, which you can find here. Andy Bannister was a guest on one of their recent editions where they enjoyed a wide ranging discussion. One of the things which came up was the difficult subject of understanding suffering from a Christian perspective – in a context when many of the people Release supports, suffer not because theyhave done wrong, but because they rightly identify with Jesus.

Click here to access Release International’s podcast series, or play the link below to hear the edition feturing Andy Bannister.

PEP Talk Podcast With Rahil Patel

The life of a Hindu monk can seem extreme–celibacy, poverty, thousands of miles of pilgrimage–but what are they searching for? Today we hear from a former priest about how Christianity met his heart’s desire. He offers some important guidance on how to reach out to others from Eastern religions, when the cultural gap can seem so daunting.

With Rahil Patel PEP Talk

Our Guest

As a Hindu priest Rahil Patel was a renowned international speaker whose spiritual counsel was received by politicians, industrialists and celebrities. His life changed dramatically after encountering the love of Jesus, and he is now involved in ministries at Holy Trinity Brompton, Balham Vineyard Church and the NowBelieve Ministry, a missionary organisation serving in the UK, India and South Africa.

His testimony is available in his book Found By Love: A Hindu priest encounters Jesus.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.

Frontlines / Christians at Work : The Scientist

Dr Kyle Matchett doesn’t want to be known just for his work as a leading researcher into Leukaemia, but also for his faith in Jesus Christ, and how that shapes his life. He told Solas’s Gavin Matthews more about his faith and his work in Molecular Immunology.

Solas: Hi Kyle – tell us a little about your job!

KM: I am a Lecturer in Molecular Immunology, and there are three main aspects to my work.

The first is research, which accounts for about 60% of my time. I did my PhD in cancer research and have done a lot of work on breast cancer. I am currently working in leukaemia research, specifically studying Acute Myeloid Leukaemia (AML) which is an especially aggressive type of the disease, mostly occurring in the elderly and children. It is not the most common childhood Leukaemia (which is Acute Lymphoblastic Leukaemia), but is responsible for more childhood deaths. So I have a lot of contact with childhood cancer charities, parents, and doctors seeking to treat the disease. I work closely with the children’s hospital in Dublin which is the centre for the whole of Ireland for this. Our research lab has five full-time staff and students, all doing their particular research for projects, some for PhDs. One of them is working on a drug for a different type of blood cancer, and we are looking to see if we can make it work for AML. We’re also looking to see if statins improve outcomes for patients too. We are also studying in detail the alterations in DNA which drive the disease, cataloguing them and building models to understand the disease process better. I am currently looking at a gene called NRAS, and we’re working with a Californian company to build cell models of the mutations we observe. As the leader of the research project I have responsibility for leading the research and securing funding grants to enable it to happen, so this week we managed to win a grant with Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Centre in New York, who are world leaders in the field. I’m also involved in the leadership of the All-Ireland Cancer Research Centre, which potentially involves around £60million of funding, which is a huge privilege and responsibility for me as someone reasonably young.

The second part of my work is teaching undergraduates. I teach on a number of modules, including a new Biochemistry module that I’ve written. I am also Course Director for two Master’s courses where the students are based in the US for one year. Then there is a pastoral role too as Study Advisor for a group of students.

The third aspect of my work is administration, of labs, staff, funds, grants, conferences, grant reviewing for UKRI, and sitting on various committees such as the All Ireland Cancer Research Council, and I get asked to speak at cancer charity events too.

Solas: So with that varied work of research, teaching and administration what gives you the most job satisfaction?

KM: I really enjoy the variety of my work, it’s important and demanding and hugely worthwhile. The research we are doing has the possibility of completely changing people’s lives. I feel called to this area of work, and to see new breakthroughs in the treatment of cancer. That’s what motivates me.

I also enjoy my working environment at the C-TRIC Research Institute at the Altnagelvin Hospital in Derry/Londonderry. There are all kinds of research projects and trials going on and the hospital is growing too. I love working with students too; it’s great when they really grasp something complex about cancer for the first time, and then ask how they could maybe do a placement in my research group. Then recently I’ve taken on more leadership and management roles and I’ve enjoyed learning how to do that well too, both caring for staff and delivering our goals. I’ve also travelled all around the world with my work – which has been really interesting. So, I really do enjoy my work!

Solas: Tell us something about the challenges you face in your job – and about how your faith in Christ helps you to navigate them.

KM: The biggest challenge these days is balancing the competing claims on my time and energy to make sure that priorities are met. Every morning my inbox is full of messages from people who want my attention; students, grant bodies, papers, results, PhD students. So prioritising what is important is a major challenge. I’d love to say that I’ve cracked that completely, but I haven’t! But one of the things that has really helped me with this is that I don’t turn on my phone in the morning and see all the messages and demands until I have done two things. One is to spend time with God, reading the Bible and praying – including asking for wisdom for day ahead, and the other is spending time with my kids.

Obviously chasing big grants is important, but so too is helping an individual student who is struggling, so I start the day, not with busyness but with trying to listen and discern. The other thing is that in the gospel of Christ there is forgiveness for all my faults too. I know, and God knows that I am not perfect, but God can help me to be faithful with the day that he gives me, and help me to use it well, to achieve a lot and show people love too. I believe God wants me to be a good husband and dad, all of which require investments of time and energy as well.

Tithing has been important for me too. I don’t just mean giving money to the church. I’ve been tithing my time recently too. So, God gets the first part of my day, as I’ve said. But typically I clear my schedule on the first day of every month to pray and sometimes pray and fast too. I am nothing without God, and won’t achieve anything unless God is in it, so I give that time to Him. I pray for the people I work with, and the people I am responsible for too.

Solas: You refer to your work as a calling from God, not just a career choice. Tell us more!

KM: Well initially I wanted to be a teacher and started at teacher training college. But then when I got there I realised it wasn’t’ for me and left. Soon after that I became a Christian, and then went back to university to study Biology. In my final year, I hoped to do a project around sports – but my grades weren’t great and so I didn’t get my first choice. Instead I was allotted a project on bladder cancer research. So I went to do the project rather reluctantly. However, I remember one day in the first week or so there, coming down to my office and it was like my soul was on fire and there was a deep calling – I just loved what I was doing, and knew that this is what I would do for the rest of my life. It was something I don’t think I chose, but was more of a calling. So although I do enjoy my work, it’s not why I do it. It’s more that here is something that God has placed in my hands, and given me the responsibility to do. I genuinely believe that when I die I will give an account of my life to God about what I have done with the talents he has given me. I been very blessed by Him in this work. He’s been very good to me in it. I’ve been awarded over £700,000 of research funding over the last two years, and that is both a blessing from God – and a big responsibility too.  Then I’ve won my faculty and University research prizes this year, then two all-Ireland awards. God is using me in this area of work that He’s called me into. Academically I’m good – but I’m not brilliant, so I’m an ideal person for God to use and show what can be done when we commit ourselves to Him.

Solas: So people at work know you are a Christian, how do they respond to that? Have you had opportunities to share anything of your faith there?

KM: Yes – people are aware that I have a faith, or at least that I go to church! However, a lot of people don’t really know what ‘being a Christian’ actually means. Most people smile and say ‘that’s good’, some ask the odd question such as ‘what church do you go to?’ Some people question why as I scientist I have faith – assuming that two are opposed to each other, and I enjoy talking about that.

I think that as Christians we don’t have to dominate the conversation and control the narrative; it’s so important to listen to people to find out what they believe and why – even if they think what I believe is nonsense. Listening disarms conversations and also reveals people’s hearts and minds. Why they believe what they do is so significant too.

A lot of people are disinterested in my faith, some oppose it, but a few are actively interested in it and that’s where I have had some really good conversations with people at work. A lot of people have had experiences of church or Christians – not all of which have been good experiences, that they want to discuss.

The gospel of Jesus is one of grace – so it’s not that I have to report back to God with an excel sheet, with every person ticked off when they hear about my faith! We’re not called to live like that – but to love our neighbours and speak for God  where he gives us opportunities. I was much quieter about my faith when I first started out. However having been relatively successful when still quite young, people are interested in me. There have been natural conversations, such as opportunities to speak about grace, faith and hope after a recent family bereavement too.

There have also been more planned opportunities as well. When I was asked to speak at my old school’s prize-giving, I agreed to do so. However, I told the school that I’d speak not only about science and cancer research – but also my faith. I told them despite all the various accolades I’ve had; the best decision I ever made was to give my life to Jesus. I was able to tell my story of faith and being led into my career. I said perhaps only three or four sentences about that but that was what people wanted to talk to me about afterwards!

Solas: Why do you want to share Jesus with people?

KM: I find the life of Jesus absolutely captivating – it’s really out of a love for Him. Jesus had the right to be worshipped, but when he came he was an absolute servant. That struck me again last night reading a kids picture Bible storybook with my son. We got to the Garden of Gethsemane and the crucifixion. Jesus loves us so much that he was willing to be mocked, humiliated and suffer for us. The gospel has changed my life, and changed my heart, it’s been incredible and I love talking about that. I want people to be able to experience that and know the freedom of the unconditional love of God the Father. Being a Christian is not about performance, it’s about being loved by God as a son! People today are under so many pressures, and in Matthew 11, Jesus says, “come to me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest” – such an important message for modern life.

Solas: So what advice would you give to a young Christian, entering your field of work – who wants to remains faithful to Christ there?

KM: I’d say identify in your life what is non-negotiable and build all your priorities around those things. You think when you start your career that your life is busy, but it gets busier! For me, prayer and Bible study in the morning before work are non-negotiables. Secondly identify someone who will be a really good mentor for you – someone in a similar professional environment to yourself, managing similar challenges. Thirdly, read leadership books and study for professional development in that area. Then finally don’t neglect prayer and solitude in the middle of an exceptionally busy life. If you really desire to make a difference in this world, then I think this is an important starting point. You can see this in the life of Jesus where he would retreat into the desert. I’m concerned that people thrown into the workplace are bombarded with responsibilities they haven’t been trained to deal with. That shows up professionally, but also spiritually because too many young Christians haven’t experienced good mentoring or discipleship. “Your character should never be playing catch-up with your calling” is a quote that challenges me deeply. Working in science, law, politics, building, teaching – are all callings from God –all of which come at a cost if you do it in a Christlike way, and that is our calling.

Solas: Thanks Kyle – really helpful!

KM: Thanks Gavin