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PEP Talk Podcast With Mark Oliver

In this “down to earth” episode we speak with a career dairy farmer who has only recently become a local church pastor. As you’d stereotypically expect, he is full of practical wisdom and a can-do attitude when it comes to sharing faith, both in new ways online and in the age-old ministry of feeding the needy.

With Mark Oliver PEP Talk

Our Guest

Mark Oliver spent the first 40 years of his life living on dairy farms in Devon or Cornwall. Alongside the farm, Mark and his family have always been heavily involved in church life, he has been preaching since age 16. When the family business finished in 2015 Mark was invited to become the Pastor of Plymstock Chapel where he has remained until today. Mark is married to Vickie and they have three school age children. When possible Mark likes to walk with his family and their dog on Dartmoor and the nearby South Devon Coast. He always has books on the go and is a lifetime supporter of Liverpool FC.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.

The Adequacy Gap

Has there ever been a time when God has called you to “GO!” and you’ve replied “NO!”?  If you’re anything like me, then the honest answer will be: “YES!”.  But not because you were wanting to be disobedient, but rather because you were feeling disabled by inadequacy.  In those moments the soundtrack playing inside your head is like Robbie Williams’ hit track “I love my life” played backwards.  You don’t hear the words: “I am wonderful, I am magical, I am free”; instead you rehearse the lyrics: “I am weak, I am sinful, I am unable”.

It’s easy to buy into the lie that God calls and uses other people – the Christian celebrities (like John Lennox, Tim Keller, Amy Orr Ewing, or Rebecca McLaughlin) whose books adorn our shelves and podcasts are recorded on our phones.  We don’t feel worthy or adequate to be God’s spokespersons.  So we remain silent and under the radar.

However, when we feel that way, the Bible gives us with two liberating verses: “we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us” (2 Corinthians 4:7).  This is an excuse to get a customised hat or t-shirt emblazoned with the slogan: “I am a crack pot”.  We can rejoice in our felt weaknesses, because God demonstrates His power not in our strengths but in our weaknesses.  At a time when Paul felt at his lowest he wrote these words: “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me” (2 Corinthians 12:9)

Let me tell you another story about how God uses people who are weak and feel inadequate.  Out in the Bedouin desert, amid the burning sands and under the blazing sun, we meet a man who God calls to be His spokesperson.  Yet Moses feels totally inadequate to the task.  It has been said that Moses spent 40 years in Egypt thinking he was somebody; Moses spent 40 years in the Wilderness learning he was nobody; and now Moses is going to spend the next 40 years of the life discovering what God can do with nobodies.  And that should be an encouragement to all of us who feel like inadequate nobodies in evangelism.

In the following conversation, God provides five antidotes to the disabling poison of inadequacy.

Antidote 1 (3:1-11)

First Moses objects: “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the children of Israel out of Egypt?” (v.11).  And God responds: “I will be with you” (v.12)

Notice God didn’t answer Moses’ question: Who Am I?  He simply promises: “I WILL BE WITH YOU!”  God does not need Moses to be anybody special.  God will be to Moses all that he needs for the mission ahead!

The same is true for us in our evangelism.  From one point of view our sense of inadequacy is an indication of the reality that a human being is a breath clinging to the dust.  We are nothing in ourselves.  However, everything changes when we realise that the Living God is with us and we are filled with His Holy Spirit who breathes new life and power into us.

Antidote 2 (3:12-22):

Secondly, Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?”  This is a natural question for them to ask, because the Israelites have spent almost 400 years in Egypt, a culture filled with many different deities.  Which of them does Moses represent?

Sometimes we can be afraid of attempting or initiating a gospel conversation because we’re afraid we will be asked questions that we don’t know how to answer on the spot.  It’s interesting how God responds to Moses – He teaches him.  For the first time God reveals His covenant name YHWH: “I am who I am”.  Then God educates Moses how he is to answer that question: “Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, ‘YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying: I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt, and I promise that I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land flowing with milk and honey’.”

The Lord has blessed us by raising up many helpful apologists who can help us learn how to respond to the questions asked in our culture today (see “The Knowledge Gap” article to find out more).

Antidote 3 (4:1-9):

Thirdly Moses objected “But behold, they will not believe me or listen to my voice”.  His concern is that history will repeat itself.  Remember how 40 years previously Moses had attempted in his own strength to liberate the Israelites from slavery.  However, the Israelites responded to him with contempt.  Moses has spent 40 years in the desert healing from the wounds of rejection and is afraid of getting hurt again.

Likewise, Christians can be afraid of how people will respond to us and fear being rejected by them (we have thought about this in “The Fear Gap”).  However, how people respond is not something you can control.  That’s God’s problem, not ours.

God corrects the problem by giving Moses three miraculous signs – which lifts everyone’s eyes off Moses and to see how great and mighty is his God! God usually chooses to work through unimpressive things – like an ordinary wooden staff, or like an ordinary shepherd called Moses.  But when they are taken up in God’s mighty hands, they became extraordinarily useful for accomplishing Hs invincible purposes.  And so you can be encouraged that God is able to take ordinary you, your testimony, your conversations, your good works, your invitations to gospel events, and work powerfully through you in the lives of your friends.

Antidote 4 (4:10-12)

Fourthly Moses pleaded with the Lord, “O Lord, I’m not very good with words. I never have been, and I’m not now, even though you have spoken to me. I get tongue-tied, and my words get tangled.”   It’s been 40 long years out in the desert shepherding sheep and his powers of speech have atrophied due to saying “baaaaa” all day long.  Moses doesn’t believe he has the skills and abilities to do what God has asked him to do.  I’ve heard a lot of people lament: “I want to serve God, but I’m just not gifted enough”.

However God responds: “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord? Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak.”

God already knows what we can and cannot do – because He made us.  He formed us in our mother’s womb with the personality, talents, strengths and weaknesses that each of us possess.  When God calls us to play our part in His great work, then we can be sure He has a place that fits us (see “The Fear Gap”).  And He may also surprise us by enabling us to do things we never imagined we were capable of in ourselves.

Antidote 5 (4:13-17):

Lastly Moses exclaims: “Oh, my Lord, please send anyone else!”  By this point Moses has run out of excuses, and just wants to run away.  Then we read: “Then the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses…”

If you or I were writing the story, that would be the last we ever hear from Moses.  But amazingly and graciously, God responds: “Is there not Aaron, your brother?  I know that he can speak well.  You shall speak to him … and he shall speak for you to the people”.  As the story goes on we see that Aaron was more a hindrance than a help.  But here’s the crucial thing to see here: Aaron didn’t replace or displace Moses in the plan.  You cannot substitute someone else to take your place in God’s mission – you can’t just employ someone else to do it for you – it is no accident that God has placed you in your flat, in your course, with your friends, in your family, in your team.  There’s an old hymn that says “There’s a work for Jesus no one else can do but you”.  The only person adequate to that unique task is you and Christ in you!

Solas and Scripture Union Scotland’s Equip! Events

At Solas we’ve enjoyed working with Scripture Union Scotland over the last few years. Andy Bannister has spoken at Equip! Edinburgh and at the SU staff leaders retreat, while Gavin Matthews has spoken at various camps and conferences. So we were delighted to renew that friendship recently when Gavin was invited to speak at the Equip! East and North events.

Scripture Union Equip! events started a couple of years ago when the Edinburgh Schools team realised there was a great need to young people (S3-S6) to be equipped to respond to some of the huge questions they face. They wanted the young people to understand Christian perspectives on the questions being raised by their peers and to have confidence that the Bible’s message is both relevant and reliable.

SU’s Jenny Thomson noted: “The Edinburgh event grew to include the Lothians and the Borders and Glasgow began their own event, using the same topics and sometimes the same speakers. When the first lockdown hit we quickly joined forces to produce Equip Online, deciding to open it up to all of Scotland’s young people in S3-6, as many SU Regional Workers were on furlough. With the return of those Regional Workers three events began, East, West and North, each with it’s own way of doing things but with collective thinking on topics and speakers. We’ve enjoyed having input from both Andy and Gavin from Solas at our events.”

Gordon Roy’s “North” area event might well stay online even after lockdown – as covering “Stirling to Shetland” isn’t really feasible in person. However, with speakers from places like Solas, LivingOut and the Evangelical Alliance and the positive way the young people have engaged with breakout rooms for discussion, there seems to be an appetite to continue meeting in this way.

Gavin Matthews from Solas said, “Friday night was exhausting but hugely enjoyable! I did the same two talks on the way Jesus is Good News in a pandemic – looking at the gospel and the uniqueness of Jesus, first for the East group and then the North group. I was encouraged by the feedback from the breakout discussion groups too. One comment in particular stuck with me from a young person who picked up on the desirability of the gospel and was asking how we know it is true. In preparing the talks I had been speaking at length with both David Nixon and Kristi Mair about youth culture in the UK today. Both of them had referred me to a famous quote by Blaise Pascal:  ‘Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.” They observed that for many younger people today, truth questions are further down their agenda than questions of whether the gospel works in practice. As such we need to answer truth questions, via the desirability issue. The fact that this young person had seen the desirability of the gospel encouraged me greatly!

Regular Equip! meetings for each region of Scotland take place online, but for safeguarding reasons booking need to be via parents/guardians. All the information can be found here.

Why is God Against My Sexual Freedom?

“Why is God against my sexual freedom?” is a question we often hear and no wonder, for we live in a society in which sexual intimacy is often held up as the highest form of human experience. But whilst the Bible is clear that sex is one of God’s good gifts to us, is there more to life than sex? Does sexual intimacy have a place and a context? And are there bigger issues of freedom than just sexual ones? Solas Director Andy Bannister tries to shed some light on all these difficult questions and more in this Short Answers film.

In the film, Andy mentions the book “A War of Loves” by David Bennett: check out this Solas webinar with David here.

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Frontlines / Christians at Work: “The Sport Participation Manager”

Our series on Christians sharing their faith in the secular workplace continues here. Gavin Matthews spoke to Amy Kirkhouse who is a sport participation manager with basketballscotland.

Solas: Tell us a little about your job? What are your roles and responsibilities?

AK: I’m Amy Kirkhouse and I work for basketballscotland, which is the governing body for the sport across the whole of Scotland. We manage everything that goes on in clubs, in competitions, schools programmes and so on and I’ve worked there for five years. I’ve had several roles in basketballscotland, and I’m currently the “Participation Manager”, which means that in normal times I run programmes and initiatives to try and get more people playing basketball. Some of that is with adults, but a lot of that work is around schools, especially on the female side of the game. Getting women and girls involved in the sport is a big passion for me, so that is exciting. Of course, as basketball is an indoor team-sport, it has been particularly badly affected by the Covid-19 restrictions, so we’ve had to support clubs through all of that this year too.

Solas: What’s the best part of your job?

AK: I’m particularly keen on promoting the women and girls game, so a big part of my job recently has been writing a ‘female strategy’ to encourage their participation and identify where the game needs to change to make that happen. Actually lockdown has really moved that forward, I’ve been working on that for two years or so, but recently there have been many more opportunities to speak to clubs online and it’s been really exciting to see progress in this. I’ve done research and run events around this, and it’s something that really inspires and motivates me.

In normal times we’d run lots of competitions, which I’d be involved with too. I run the junior NBA programme, which is the youth participation strand of the NBA brand. We get loads of primary school kids involved in that, and it’s really cool to travel around the country and do those. Primary 6&7 competitions have an equal gender split, they all get great basketball kits – and they just love it! I like my office work, but I really do miss getting out and seeing those kids competitions and events.

Solas: What are some of the challenges that you face at work – and how does your faith in Christ help you to navigate those?

AK: In the first couple of years working at basketballscotland, when I was trying to settle into the role I felt very much the new person there. I was quite young, only 22, when I started, and I’m naturally quite shy, especially when it comes to meeting new people. I felt a good bit of anxiety around being in that new place, and not knowing the people, the organisation and being the ‘newbie’. That’s actually where my faith was super-helpful; because it helped me to not be overwhelmed by that, not let that define who I was, and for me at that time – being able to trust Jesus with that was significant. Everyone has peaks and troughs in their working life, and having that consistency and stability in my life that comes from my faith in Him has been helpful.

I am fortunate to have a job that I absolutely love, and very good colleagues and bosses who actually care about me – and that is great!

Solas: Do people you work with know that you are a Christian? How do they react to that?

AK: Yes, most of them do – and they’ve all learnt that I am a Christian in different ways. (I was about say ‘found out’, but that makes it sound like a secret!). When I was working in the office before lockdown, I found it quite easy to say to people that I’d been to church; when they asked what I’d been up to at the weekend. I’d say things like, “I had twenty people round at my house for a Bible-study last night!”. Some people say, “OK, cool”, others have said things like, “What?! Why would you do that with your time?!?” But generally just accept it.

Solas: Have you ever had opportunities to share your faith with people you know through work? What things have helped you to have good conversations about faith?

AK: I have had opportunities to chat to colleagues about my faith at a deeper level, but generally not in the office. The office work-ethos, and the office-banter don’t really allow those sorts of conversations to take place. It’s when we are out working at an event, or travelling –or we’re out socialising together, that more important conversations tend to happen. It’s in those contexts where you have more time, you get to know people better, to ask questions and to find out what people think.

I sometimes worry what people will say, or what they will think – or what I will say if they ask a question that I don’t know the answer to. But in fact, all the chats that I’ve had with people have been really positive, and people are really interested. A lot of people have got a little background knowledge, from attendance at Sunday School or from a Christian grandmother, or from Scouts attached to a church; and so they sometimes connect that with what I’m saying.

Each conversation I have had has been different too. Some have been disheartening, while others have been really encouraging. There have been one or two where I have felt threatened by what people have said, but generally they have been positive. So when I feel anxious about having a conversation about my faith, I have to remind myself that this is fine, and that you’re just telling people who you are and what you believe in. And people actually really appreciate that, and they find the fact that I have convictions about things interesting. I think they are especially intrigued to hear Christian convictions coming from a younger person.

Solas: Did you deliberately set about to have these conversations, or did they occur naturally?

AK: A bit of a mix! Usually I would happily wait until things come up naturally. Although recently, since March I’ve had some of the best conversations when I’ve been slightly more intentional about it. Perhaps there is something about being online when you feel a bit less inhibited maybe! We did a team exercise on a Zoom call in which we were all asked to share something we’d been doing under lockdown that was helping us maintain mental wellbeing. So it wouldn’t make sense for me not to talk about prayer. So I mentioned to a couple of Christian friends that this team call was coming up, and they encouraged me to be honest and share. Then my flat-mate prayed with me before the call. I was quite nervous because I felt quit exposed; but I did the call and spoke about praying. I thought everyone would think I was a complete weirdo, but actually one of my colleagues texted me and said that he’d like to chat further about that – which we did. So, for me, it would have been weird not to have been honest on that call. So speaking intentionally about my faith actually opened the door for further conversations.

Solas: Do folks ever raise objections when you talk about your faith?

AK: Well I have colleagues who have opinions, and definitely know what they do and don’t believe. And then some who have had bad experiences of church or Christians, and not been afraid to say that to me either – which I actually appreciate. I’m not naturally an argumentative person, but we have had honest conversations about what we believe and the differences there. No-one has responded in a really aggressive way, or anything like that, but they’ve definitely disagreed and we’ve had more robust conversations, which is good! I actually prefer that to apathy, you can’t go anywhere with the apathy that just says “cool”, shrugs its shoulders and wanders off!

Solas: Why do you want to talk to colleagues and friends about Jesus?

AK: Well one reason is that I have been placed where I have to work, and to do my work well and please God in that. The other is that I’m there to build relationships with my colleagues to share with them. And if I really believed what I believe – then I would probably share things a whole lot more readily! But when little opportunities come up, the more I get to know my colleagues, and the more I grow in my own faith – the more willing I am to share. It actually makes no sense to me, not to share my faith because it is so central to who I am. Not to share that with the people who I spend more time with than anyone else would actually be ridiculous. That doesn’t mean it is easy, but it makes sense. Of course Jesus calls us to share what we believe too, and Christians all go about that in different ways. I am always trying to work out how to do that in ways that are both natural and intentional.

Solas:  What advice would you give a young Christian entering your field of work who wants to be faithful to Christ there?

AK: If a young Christian was coming to start out in my role, I’d advise them to be natural and honest about who they really from the very start. Don’t hide your faith, but be honest about who you are! Don’t be weird about it, but on the other hand, just don’t hide. Early on, take opportunities to drop things into conversation such as your church, or other things which will open up opportunities. I wish I had done that a bit earlier on, and been a bit more open from the start; rather than having to sort-of catch up, and bring into the conversation who I really was. So while you are new in the office, don’t be pushy and get ahead of yourself; but equally don’t present a version of yourself-minus-your-faith, which is misleading. If someone asks, answer honestly, you do not need to hide.

Solas: Thanks Amy!

PEP Talk Podcast With David Nixon

It seems that in our culture today, it is all too easy to offend a person by disagreeing with their ideas. This fuels our fear of rejection, broken relationships, consequences for career or reputation when it comes to discussing our faith. What can we do to foster respect, humility and love that wins the heart of a person, instead of winning an argument? Today’s guest urges us to look to Jesus for a great example.

With David Nixon PEP Talk

Our Guest

David Nixon is Associate Pastor at Carrubbers Christian Centre on Edinburgh’s Royal Mile. After studying Law at the University of Edinburgh, David went on to study Theology at the Faith Mission Bible College and London School of Theology, while also training and working in church-based ministry. He regularly writes for the Solas website. David is a husband to Kirsty and father to two energetic young boys.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.

The Assurance Gap

“It’s no more difficult than walking along a plank” said the climbing instructor. I was on a week’s walking and scrambling holiday on the Isle of Skye, attempting to climb all of the Munros on that most dramatic of all the Scottish islands. (I didn’t manage them all by the way, but that is a story for another day!) A thin rocky ledge, with a breath-taking drop on either side stood between us and the final ascent to one airy mountain summit. The group stood anxiously waiting to see who would go first. We were all seasoned hillwalkers, but none of us had done much climbing, and we all stood motionless. That was until the instructor cheerily added, “but don’t worry, I’ll go first and you’ll all be roped”. At once the situation changed completely. We all went from picturing ourselves falling to certain death, to merely imagining the embarrassment of dangling from a rope for a few minutes if we lost our footing.

In terms of the adventure of sharing our faith, the same picture applies. So many of us are stuck motionless, because we feel afraid. In this series of articles, we are looking at many of the things which provoke fear-based responses in us, but in this piece, I would like to turn our attention to the safety rope. That is the precious, and much neglected Christian teaching about ‘assurance of salvation’.

Christian Assurance is the deep, unshakable confidence that God loves you, that Christ died for you and rose again, that your sins are forgiven, that you will be with The Lord forever, and that nothing can take that away from you. In other words, you are completely, totally safe in the love of God. The reason that that is liberating in evangelism is that it removes the fear of failure, of abandonment, or of losing your faith – if you lose an argument. Most significantly it means that when we are rejected by people, for Christ’s name, we will still be OK, held safely in the love of God.  Evangelism always feels risky, knowing that we are undergirded by a Divine safety–net is liberating!

There are three elements to Christian Assurance that we need to grasp, which will help us go joyfully and confidently into God’s mission God in this world.

The first is that assurance comes by believing the gospel of Jesus. The Christian faith is categorically not a matter of saying, “I have done enough, so God will accept me, I am basically OK”. Rather we enter God’s family when we understand just how deeply flawed and sinful we are, and find no relief for that condition other than the forgiveness won for us on the cross by Jesus. If the gospel was about making ourselves worthy recipients of God’s favour, assurance would be a presumptuous conceit! Who could possibly claim to be acceptable to God on that basis, never mind be securely in His love? Even if someone could possibly do enough to earn God’s favour, surely no-one could ever remain pure enough in thought, word or deed to stay there! If this ‘pelagian’ view of salvation was true, it would mean that there could be no safety-net, and that mortal danger would be around every corner. The only response to this would be to hide from the world, avoid unbelievers, and never engage with the arguments of sceptics!

But the New Testament insists that, “nothing in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.[1]” How is that sort of confidence possible? The answer is that the Bible is not commending self-confidence, but confidence in Jesus to save us. Paul later wrote, “ For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast[2].” In other words, real assurance is not based upon ourselves; but begins by fixing our eyes on Jesus himself. If you are struggling to deeply and profoundly know that you are loved, saved and secure in the love of Christ, start by taking your eyes off yourself and ask Jesus to forgive you. Not because you deserve that, but because He promises it. Shift your understanding from the instinctive impulse to think that in order to be loved you must become ‘lovely’, and become grounded in the truth that you are loved by God, because He Is Love[3].

Secondly though, there is a place for looking at ourselves – if we handle this very carefully. The truth is that while we receive the grace of God, not on the basis of our record, but because Jesus shares his righteousness with us; (and that is God’s work, not ours), this does demonstrably begin to change us over time! When we encounter God, by His sheer, free grace – He puts His Spirit in us; and we cannot help but begin to change. Ask yourself some questions. Do you love the Bible more than you used to? Do you love meeting together with God’s people for worship? Do you want to tell others about Jesus? Are you instinctively more generous, and compassionate to the poor and vulnerable than you once were? Are you less enamoured with sin that you used to be? Do you love the name of Jesus?!

I remember once overhearing a conversation in our local hospital, between two nurses.

“What has happened to Judy?” one asked.
“I don’t know”, said the other, “but she went to that Christian event at the football stadium; I think she’s had some kind of religious experience”.
“What on earth…?.”,
“I don’t really know what’s going on, but she doesn’t say “Oh My God!” anymore, and gets upset if anyone says “for Christ’s sake”.

This lady had been a Christian for only a couple of days, but God had started to change her. I know that you and I are not perfect – there is still plenty of sin and corruption lurking in your heart; but are you aware also of a power in you which has begun a good work in you, changing you?  You can be absolutely certain that the world, your sinful nature and the devil do not want you to glorify Jesus, enjoy fellowship. love the Bible or care for the poor. This is demonstrably the work of the Holy Spirit in you  – the outworking of the new life in Christ that God has given you. But note this. If you are not aware of any changes that the Holy Spirit has made in you, don’t try to work harder, do more, or get to work to fix this – that’s missing the point because what we are talking about here is a gauge not an engine.

When I was a kid, I had a tour of Concorde, in its hanger at Heathrow Airport. At the front of each compartment there was a display which showed how fast the aircraft was travelling. It would sit for a long time at Mach 0.9, tantalisingly just below the speed of sound. Passengers would apparently get up and in frustration tap the display, wanting it to reach the magic “Mach.1”. Of course, fiddling with the gauge wouldn’t actually affect the speed of the plane! To do that, would require going into the cockpit and pushing back the throttle. If today you find no evidence of the power of the Holy Spirit changing you, then go back to the source of the power: Jesus himself. Seek Him, find Him, trust Him, and ask Him to come into your life with his renewing power.  If on the other hand, you can say for certain that the Spirit’s power has done some work in you, then take great courage. The wonderful gospel of Jesus is yours. You are in Christ and He is in you. He is yours and you are His. You are utterly safe in his love.

Thirdly, there are precious times in the life of the believer when the Holy Spirit bears direct witness to us of our assurance of salvation.  The New Testament says

14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.[4]

That is, that while we begin with trusting Jesus (not ourselves) for salvation, we then observe the effects of this upon us – there are also times when we experience the love of God too. Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones, the great Welsh preacher, was fond of quoting the Puritan writer Thomas Goodwin on this point. Goodwin asked us to imagine a father his young son walking down the road together, when spontaneously the father picks up the lad and hugs him. The boy was no more or less a son of his father before the hug; but there was a moment when that relationship was especially enjoyed. So it is with us. We are the children of God, yet there are times when the Holy Spirit seems to help us enjoy that relationship to its fullest extent. The Holy Spirit makes us first grateful worshippers, who then become natural evangelists.

Jesus said these words: 11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[f] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”[5]

The application is far from complex… !

The end point is this. Processing doubts, and questions about the gospel, and our salvation is an important and inevitable part of the Christian life. However, the more we grow in confidence in the gospel and its work in us, the less we will be hampered by insecurity. Just as we will take fewer risks without the assistance of a climbing rope, so we will never be able to take the risks needed for evangelism, if we do not know the treasure of assurance. That comes in three ways as we have seen: Firstly grasp the gospel firmly. It’s about Jesus, about grace, and is about forgiveness for your sins and adoption into God’s family; not about you or your moral performance. Secondly look honestly and see if there is any evidence in you that you have really believed it. Thirdly ask God to fill you with his Holy Spirit, to witness to your spirit that you are a son of God.

The experience of the most winsome and quietly effective witnesses for Jesus, is that it is when they are secure in Christ, and know His Spirit upon them, that they are bursting with love; and able most naturally to speak of their Saviour.

Further reading;

Sinclair B. Ferguson, “The Whole Christ”, esp. ch9
Martyn Lloyd-Jones, “The Sons of God” Exposition of Romans 8: 5-17
Martyn Lloyd-Jones, “The Final Perseverance of The Saints” Exposition of Romans 8:17-39

[1] Romans 8:39

[2] Eph 2:8-9

[3] 1 John 4:8

[4] Romans 8: 11-13

[5] Luke 11;11-13

Doesn’t Christianity Impede Moral Progress?

“Society is progressing morally, getting better year by year!” some atheists have claimed (often adding “and religion threatens to hold this progress back”). But what do we mean by ‘progress’? Can one even use the word without first knowing what the destination is? In this Short Answers film, Solas Director Andy Bannister tackles a number of common myths about goodness, justice, and ethics — and shows how Christianity offers the best answer to the question ‘What is the purpose of human life?’, a question without an answer to which we can’t talk about these things meaningfully in the first place.

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Frontlines / Christians at Work: “The Pilot”

in the first of our interviews with Christians sharing their faith in the secular workplace, Gavin Matthews spoke to Rebecca Macdonald Ots.

Solas: Rebecca, thanks for speaking to us. Firstly tell us a little about your job.

Rebecca: I am a long haul airline pilot.  Normally I would be flying the B747 all over the world but sadly they retired that beautiful aircraft from passenger travel due to Covid. So I will hopefully be trained onto a newer plane sometime next year when flying picks up again.

Solas: What’s the best part of your job?

Rebecca: I’d say, the best part of my job is the team work involved in planning for a journey. Then safely and skilfully executing the take off,  climb, cruise, approach and landing into our destination airfield.  There is a unique camaraderie that pilots share and that’s one of the things I love.  It’s more than just a job for us. It’s a passion, a lifestyle.

Solas: What are some of the challenges you face at work and how does your faith in Christ help you to navigate those?

Rebecca: I face all kinds of challenges in my work ranging from dealing with the jet lag and fatigue due to working across time zones and very antisocial hours,  to navigating difficult airport procedures when you are tired.  It can also be quite lonely at times, being away from home for long periods of time with different crews every time.

My faith in Christ helps me navigate these challenges. I always bring my bible and Jesus with me. He truly is my closest friend and I have had many very precious encounters in his presence in my hotel room.  Also i have a strong network of family and friends who pray for me and keep me grounded in my faith .

Solas: Does being a Christian make a difference to the way you approach work?

Rececca: Yes! As with every job there are the boring and low periods of workload. At 2am across a vast Atlantic Ocean in the cruise, it can be easy to get tired with the jet lag and frustrated. I try and remember that my attitude should still be a good and positive one. Also sometimes in conversation, if my colleagues are being quite critical of the company and management, it can be easy to be drawn into gossip, so I try my best to refrain from this.

Solas: Do people you work with know that you are a Christian? How do they react to that?

Rebecca: In my job we fly with different pilots every trip. Sometimes we have met each other before and sometimes it’s for the first time. This is common in the aviation industry and in large airlines. The people I have flown with before definitely know I am a Christian, and even a lot who I haven’t met before probably because I do stand out as different.  I get a mix of reactions from intrigue and interest to poking fun or being apathetic.

Solas: Have you ever had opportunities to share your faith with people you know through work? What things have helped you to have good conversations about faith? Did you deliberately set about to have these conversations, or did they occur naturally?

Rebecca: In my job you are sat with one or two other pilots for a long period of time.  You are working together in a very confined and dynamic environment. This gives rise to lots of conversations. So I have had many opportunities to share my faith. Pilots talk about everything on a trip. During the cruise and then down route gives lots of time to chat. We find out a lot about each other and talk about everything from sport to politics to relationships.  I am very open with my faith and if ever asked for advice I tend to give it from a Christian perspective, which sometimes leads to very deep conversations.  Also the amazing sights we get to see from the flight deck gives rise sometimes to an open questions.

Solas: How do people react when you talk about your faith in Jesus? Interested? Angry? Apathetic? Do they ever raise objections…. What were they and how did you respond?

Rebecca: I get a mix of reactions when I talk about my faith. Some are intrigued, some will just change the topic of conversation, others will poke fun at me. The environment in the flight deck tends to be one of banter and something you just have to be quick to give a funny or smart answer back, in a light hearted way. Often that leads to a conversation later on in the bar.  A couple of occasions this has risen to a heated conversation down-route because the other person has become quite agitated with my answers, even although they kept asking the questions. I always try to give an answer for my faith if asked in a loving way.

Solas: Why do you want to talk to colleagues and friends about Jesus?

Rebecca: I love sharing my faith and Jesus with my colleagues because often I have come across an open willingness in them to think about the ‘what if there is something more’ because many do have frustrations with life and relationships and although they have it so good with a well paid job and fun lifestyle, deep down they are searching.  Sometimes a colleague will share with me about a sick loved one and I will as them if they would like me to pray for them in my church prayer group. I have never had anyone say no.  They may brush it off but they won’t say no.

Solas: What advice would you give a young Christian entering your field of work who wants to be faithful to Christ?

Rebecca: The advice I would give to a young Christian entering my field of work is that  there is beauty in being different, and from experience I get more respect and intrigue out of my colleagues for it. They may not agree with what I believe but they admire my strength and resilience and as a result I often have colleagues who open up and share things, knowing I won’t gossip but keep it discrete.  For guys especially it can often be easier to get things off their mind by chatting it through with a stranger than with a friend or family member.  Everyone is struggling with something and we should always act with love and  kindness yet be firm.

Why Did Jesus Have To Die For Me?

THE HEART OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

At the heart of the Christian faith lies an incredible claim: that Jesus died on a cross to forgive our wrongdoing, our evil, and our brokenness, what the Bible calls “sin”. From the very beginning of the Christian church, Christians claimed that Jesus had died for our sins.

THE SCANDAL OF THE CROSS

It is all too easy to miss how startling this Christian focus on Jesus’s crucifixion was. Jesus had claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. The first Christians—most of whom were Jewish—claimed Jesus was this Messiah. However in common Jewish belief, the Messiah was supposed to overthrow the Roman’s who had conquered and oppressed the Jewish people—not supposed to get crucified by them.

Furthermore, in the ancient world, crucifixion was one of the most painful, and most humiliating ways to die – reserved for criminals and outcasts. Thus for Christians to claim that their Messiah, their Lord, their God, had been crucified was scandalous.  Indeed, the New Testament recognises this:

We preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles. (1 Cor 1:23)

Why did the early Christians boldly and shamelessly and in the face of persecution preach that Jesus had been crucified, killed for our sins? There is only one historical explanation: because that is what happened and however unpalatable it was to Jews, Romans and to Pagans, Christians faithfully stuck to the historical story.

Jesus himself had also predicted his own death on many occasions, for example in Mark 10:45 where he says that he, did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many. According to the Bible, Jesus himself, 2,000 years of  Christian witness and the testimony of two billion Christians today; Jesus died for us.

OBJECTIONS TO THE DEATH OF JESUS

But to many modern people, this seems ludicrous. I hear two common objections. First, “I’m not a sinner, there’s nothing wrong with me. How dare you suggest I would need ‘forgiveness’. The second is “Why can’t God just forgive us?” Why did Jesus need to die? Why was his sacrifice on the cross necessary?”

ALL HAVE SINNED

Let’s start with the objection to the death of Jesus for our sins “there’s nothing wrong with me. I’m a basically good person.”

The truth is that human beings go wrong in all kinds of ways—I do and you do, we all do. You are, if you’re honest with yourself, basically a pretty mixed bag, as am I. Or as best-selling author and film writer, Nick Hornby, put it:

I’m a good person. In most ways. But I’m beginning to think that being a good person in most ways doesn’t count for anything very much, if you’re a bad person in one way.

In 2009, golfer Tiger Woods gave his first press conference, after his multiple affairs and lies had been uncovered. A journalist asked him: “How could you lie to so many people for so long?” He replied: “Because I first learnt to lie to myself.”

Imagine if you had to watch a cinema screening of your entire life; every thought, word and deed. Some bits would be great, other bits would make you cringe with embarrassment—all the stupid decisions, all the rude hurtful things you said about others, all those secret thoughts and selfish ambitions. All the things you did—but also the good things you didn’t do. Imagine then, if everyone you ever met was invited to the screening and asked to judge you. The truth is that God sees every aspect of our lives like this and says:

 “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)

He says that every one of us, needs forgiveness. No exceptions.

WHY CAN’T GOD JUST FORGIVE US?

So why can’t God just forgive us? Why isn’t it enough for us to simply say “sorry, God” and for God to forgive us—why did Jesus have to die?

Well, notice something for a moment. Real forgiveness, genuine forgiveness is always costly. Imagine you reverse your car into mine in a car park and dent it, causing a thousand pounds worth of damage and your insurance has expired. Taking pity on you, I forgive you the debt and let you off—you have been forgiven but your forgiveness came at a price. I paid the price so you could be forgiven. Your forgiveness was not free.

Or consider a wrong that isn’t economic. Imagine somebody insults you, shames you, and damages your reputation. What happens at this point?

You could make the person suffer. In this age of Twitter shaming, for example, perhaps you could engage in hash-tag justice and round up a social media mob to hound and harass the person who hurt you, in order to get even.  Or, in other parts of the world, maybe you even take things a stage further and employ vengeance to get even at the person who hurt you..

The only alternative to the spiral of hatred and violence that comes from responding to violence with violence, or hatred with hatred, or betrayal with betrayal, is to forgive. But forgiveness always carries a price. If you choose to forgive the other person, you have to carry within you the cost of forgiving them and turning away from vengeance. You have to pay the price for forgiving and not holding onto your pain or your honour.

Corrie ten Boom lived with her father and sister in the Netherlands, where her father ran a watchmaker’s shop. Committed Christians, Corrie and her family began helping to smuggle Jews away from the Nazis, hiding many in their home. In 1944, they were discovered and were arrested and shipped to Ravensbruck Concentration Camp where her sister Betsie died an agonising death.

Corrie survived and began a post-war career as an evangelist, speaking about God’s love. But one day, something shocking happened. Let me quote Corrie’s own words:

“It was at a church service in Munich that I saw him, the former SS man who had stood guard at the shower room door in the processing centre at Ravensbruck. He was the first of our actual jailers that I had seen since that time. And suddenly it was all there—the roomful of mocking men, the heaps of clothing, Betsie’s pain- blanched face.

He came up to me as the church was emptying, beaming and bowing. “How grateful I am for your message, Fräulein”, he said. “To think that, as you say, He has washed my sins away!”

His hand was thrust out to shake mine. I tried to smile, I struggled to raise my hand. I could not. I felt nothing, not the slightest spark of warmth or charity. And so again I breathed a silent prayer. Jesus, I cannot forgive him. Give me Your Forgiveness.

As I took his hand the most incredible thing happened. From my shoulder along my arm and through my hand a current seemed to pass from me to him, while into my heart sprang a love for this stranger that almost overwhelmed me. And so I discovered that it is not on our forgiveness any more than on our goodness that the world’s healing hinges, but on Christ’s.”

Forgiveness always comes at a price. Corrie discovered she didn’t have the resources within her to pay that price, faced with one of the guards who had done what he had done. But she found in Jesus somebody who was able to provide them.

Couldn’t God just forgive us?

Nobody just forgives. You can’t just forgive, because forgiveness always comes at a price. Always. Forgiveness means that you bear the cost so that the perpetrator doesn’t.

When you forgive somebody, you effectively bear sin—you bear the wounds so you can forgive them. So it should come as no surprise that when God chose to forgive us, rather than to punish us for all the ways we have wronged him and wronged one another, that he would go to the cross in the person of Jesus and die in our place.

As New York Times best-selling author Tim Keller writes:

On the Cross we see God doing visibly and cosmically what every human being must do to forgive someone, although on an infinitely greater scale. I would argue, of course, that human forgiveness works this way because we unavoidably reflect the image of our Creator. That is why we should not be surprised if we sense that the only way to triumph over evil is to go through the suffering of forgiveness, that this would be far more true of God, whose just passion to defeat evil and loving desire to forgive others are both infinitely greater than ours.[1]

In Jesus Christ—whom Christians have always understood to be God in the flesh—God took our pain, our violence, our evil, into himself, absorbed it, bore the wounds and paid the price, so that he could forgive us and, eventually, destroy all evil without destroying us. That’s why Jesus, God with us, God in the flesh, God who stepped into space and time, gave his life on the cross as a sacrifice.

THE PERFECT SACRIFICE OR A LIFE THROWN AWAY?

If you’re walking with a friend on a bridge over a river and your friend suddenly says, “I love you, let me show how much” and they dive over the side of the bridge, into the river, and drown. I think your reaction would be “What! Why? Why did you do that stupid thing. How did killing yourself possibly show you that you loved me?”

But think of another type of sacrifice. For example, in 1916, Billy McFadzean, a 20 year old soldier was fighting in the First World War in the Battle of the Somme. A box of hand grenades slipped into a crowded trench, dislodging safety pins in two of the grenades. Realising what was about to happen, McFadzean threw himself on top of the grenades, which exploded, killing him, but his action saved the life of dozens of his comrades. He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross.

What makes the difference between throwing yourself pointlessly off a bridge, or what Billy McFadzean did? What matters is if you sacrificed yourself because it was the only way to save others.

When we look at what Jesus did when he went to the cross, we have to ask the question. Was Jesus foolishly throwing his life away in some meaningless action? Or was Jesus doing it because he knew it was the only way to save me, to save you, the only way we could be forgiven?

The Bible puts it like this:

God demonstrates his own love for us in this—while we still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

When it comes to forgiveness there is always a cost. There is always a price. And that’s why Jesus paid the price he did, for our forgiveness, because of God’s great love for us.

FREEDOM FOR THE CAPTIVES

In his novel, A Tale of Two Cities, Dickens describes two characters, Charles Darnay and Sydney Carton – who look almost identical. The climax of the complex story comes when Darnay is imprisoned and facing death but Sydney arranges a swap so that he is imprisoned and faces death in his place. Sydney loved Darnay’s wife Lucie to the extent that he was willing to die to save her from widowhood.

I don’t know about you, but I find stories like that incredibly powerful. They move us deeply, But they don’t change us.

Stories of great self-sacrifice in history or literature often make me wonder if I’d be that brave if ever the test came. But examples can’t change us.

Even ethics can’t change us either because we consistently fall short of our own standards. We look at Sydney Carton’s story, or Billy McFadzean’s, and we gulp and we feel small.

But the historical story of what Jesus did is different. It’s not supposed to be an example that stirs us to do better. Or inspires us. Or makes us go misty eyed at Jesus’s love and courage. Or make us want to be nicer to our neighbours.

The story of Jesus isn’t that kind of story. In fact it’s not just a story, it’s our story. We need to see ourselves in it. We are the Charles Darnay figure, imprisoned and facing judgement. We are imprisoned, condemned, by our pride and self-centredness, by our privilege, by our meanness, by our pettiness, by our desire for power and to be god in God’s place. But Jesus comes to us and whispers “Let me take your place. Let me pay the debt you can’t pay. Let me set you free. Let me give you forgiveness as a gift.”

Jesus offers us forgiveness, peace, reconciliation and friendship with God but he does so at a tremendous cost. He did it for us.

Stories of great courage can inspire us. Stories of great sacrifice can move us. But when you realise that you’re part of Jesus’ story and part of the reason he went to the cross was for you, it can change you. So often as human beings, we’re driven by fear and by pride. But Jesus’s story, Jesus’s death destroys both.

You and I are so bad Jesus had to die for us. That destroys pride.
But we are so loved, that he was willing to die for us.
That destroys fear.

Don’t let fear or pride hold you back from all that Jesus has to offer and from discovering what Jesus’ death, for you, means and from the new life that can flow from that.

[1]        Timothy Keller, The Reason for God (London: Hodder & Stoughton, 2008) p.192

PEP Talk Podcast With Craig Dyer

Today we hear from Craig Dyer about how the popular Christianity Explored courses have adapted to life in a pandemic. How can we best use these evangelistic tools, still make connections online, and meet people where they’re at during a difficult period for us all? Craig also shares about the unique opportunities his home church in Glasgow has to reach out to asylum seekers.

With Craig Dyer PEP Talk

Our Guest

Craig Dyer is the Training Director for Christianity Explored, where he provides evangelism training for gospel-hearted churches around the world by developing a network of qualified trainers. Prior to this position, having graduated from Irish Baptist College in Belfast, he served as Pastor of Bellshill Baptist Church for just under 6 years and Harper Church in the south side of Glasgow for 13 years. He still serves there as an Associate Pastor. Craig and his wife Margaret have three daughters.

About PEP Talk

The Persuasive Evangelism Podcast aims to equip listeners to share their faith more effectively in a sceptical world. Each episode, Andy Bannister (Solas) and Kristi Mair (Oak Hill College) chat to a guest who has a great story, a useful resource, or some other expertise that helps equip you to talk persuasively, winsomely, and engagingly with your friends, colleagues and neighbours about Jesus.